RHESSI Paris workshop 28-Jul-04 Working group 4 notes Mrozek: source heights * analysis following that of Aschwanden & Brown Discussion of basic points of method (Demoulin, Hudson, Dennis, Benz) * re-checking the AB flare: forward method and CEAN give very different sources: centroid from RHESSI sw @ 60% and other contours Discussion (Krucker, Dennis, Fletcher, Khan, Benz): do not use forward-fit now, back projection is more reliable Discussion of AB boxcar smoothing (Hudson) * comparison of four image methods for 20-jun (?) flare with coronal and footpoint sources * 3-aug-02 19:04 event with TRACE overlay via correlation overlay * four 12-sec intervals, H vs E fits, show gradually increasing heights with few-arcsec range Discussion of model interpretation as density increase with time (Demoulin, Dennis, Mandrini, Fletcher, Khan) * height vs time at a given energy => velocity estimate, not incompatible with evaporation * energy of flattening of h-vs-e plot, statistical results: how to compare height scales for different events? * puzzling cases suggest step in density perhaps Discussion of danger of running means and known image artifacts (Dennis) * 2D plot of source positions * comparison with Matsushita et al. 1992, Fletcher 1995 modeling Discussion (Khan et al): this work is a fundamental part of the RHESSI data analysis Somov: coronal sources * 20 flares selected, for which 5 have upward velocity > 3 sigma: 10-30 km/s upward motion observed * collapsing trap with betatron (2nd invariant valid) and first-order Fermi energy gain * loss-cone behavior: Somov-Bogachev, Astr Letters 29, 621, 2003: exact match with energy gain and loss-cone growth * no need for shock structure, prediction of two components Discussion (Fletcher, Demoulin, Hudson, Khan): is the trap dense enough to emit hard X-rays? (Veronig) some flares have high enough coronal densities to emit hard X-rays. (Benz) read my thesis! I don't think betatron gives enough energy. (Somov) start with SHTCL, main effect is not compression but instead the decrease of trap length - in the case of a termination shock, it might decrease to zero! (Hudson) is the SHTCL not clearly visible in soft X-rays if it is dense and hot? Discussion II (Dennis): initial decrease of altitude (Somov) also seen in the HXT sample. (Dennis) we frequently observe downward early motions at 20 keV. Veronig: Nov. 3 event * Excellent RHESSI event with Moreton wave (H-alpha) with difficult but odd great-circle velocity fit * RHESSI images show nice FP+LT morphology * apparent downward motion * second phase, soft-hard-hard, RHESSI shows footpoints Discussion (extensive, too interesting for note-taking. What a great event!) Benz: Nov. 3 radio data * two type II bursts and "afterglow" Discussion: physical interpretation is complicated... Hudson: Nov. 4 white-light loops * talking so no notes Somov: "bubble model" * large-scale reconnection in a large flare * reconnection in a vacuum and in a plasma Discussion of current layer thickness (Hudson) deferred * powerful heating by waves of electrons in the current sheet * then "rainbow reconnection", as in Bastille Day flare * for which, topological model looking like an orangutan, based upon five effective sources * separatrix structure in a "topological portrait" * Somov et al., Astr Rep. 48, 246, 2004 * E = 30 V/cm * Conclusion: it would be easy to criticize this simple model, but it may be adequate! Discussion (Demoulin): no criticism, just appreciation. But... in the Bastille case, the N ribbon does not seem to follow the observation so well. So we probably need more sources. (Hudson) what is the electrical potential distribution? This is not a problem, the experts say!