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== Plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J ==
== Plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J ==
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DeRosa: Magnetism
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'''DeRosa: Magnetism'''
* Magnetic fields are pandemic. Review comments emphasize two areas:
* Magnetic fields are pandemic. Review comments emphasize two areas:
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''Hudson'': Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!
''Hudson'': Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!
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DeWijn: Chromosphere
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'''DeWijn: Chromosphere'''
* Read the manifesto. Four questions
* Read the manifesto. Four questions
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  1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to.  
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1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to. Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto. Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona... The questions have multiplied!
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    Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto.
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    Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona...
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''Liewer'': what is a type II spicule? A: Time scale of seconds, number density different from classical (type I) spicules.  
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    Questions have multiplied.
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Liewer: what is a type II spicule? Time scale of seconds, number density  
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2) What is the influence of the beta = 1 surface? Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven wave propagation?
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    different from classical (type I) spicules.  
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  2) Beta = 1 surface. Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven
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''Strous'': Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly
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    wave propagation?
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Strous: Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly
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3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better in the photosphere.
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  3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But
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4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in the upper chromosphere - so maybe
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    which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better
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    in the photosphere.
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''Vourlidas'': where is the top of the chromosphere? A: A difficult question! "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"
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  4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere
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    a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in
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    the upper chromosphere - so maybe
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Vourlidas: where is the top of the chromosphere? A difficult question!  
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    "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing
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    something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"
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* Chromosphere and flares. Can we diagnose particle beams?
* Chromosphere and flares. Can we diagnose particle beams?
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* Observations: Need B in the chromosphere - time-resolved integral field
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* Observations: Need B in the chromosphere - ''time-resolved integral field spectroscopy''! Also need compatible resolution.  
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  spectroscopy! Need compatible resolution.  
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Panasenco: Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also
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  loops. Need another workshop!
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Young: Loops
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''Panasenco:'' Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also loops. Need another workshop!
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* Spatial structure. Dark regions in ARs show Doppler and line-width
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'''Young: Loops'''
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  signatures in EIS. Sources of wind? Loop resolution? Aided by EIS filling
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  factors of 10-20%. Isothermality? 3-dimensionality? Aschwanden work
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  confirming large inclinations for many loops.
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* Temporal evolution: Cooling can be nicely followed in images now. Are all
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  loops heated as transients, ie are there steady loops?
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Doschek: see the movie; it's on the Web
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Moore: Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?
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  Doschek: Maybe. Moore: DeForest: Overdense, underdense. Nanoflares =>
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  underdense?
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Peter: Modeling
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* Spatial structure. Dark regions in ARs show Doppler and line-width signatures in EIS. Sources of wind? Loop resolution? Aided by EIS filling factors of 10-20%. Isothermality? 3-dimensionality? Aschwanden work confirming large inclinations for many loops.
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* Temporal evolution: Cooling can be nicely followed in images now. Are all loops heated as transients, ie are there steady loops?
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* Need synthesis of observables. Need non-equilibrium ionization. Footpoint
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''Doschek:'' see the movie; it's on the Web
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  heating is now heavily preferred.
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''Moore:'' The Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?
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''DeForest'': Recall the overdense and underdense loop types. "Nanoflares" <=> underdense.
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'''Peter: Modeling'''
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* Need synthesis of observables. Need non-equilibrium ionization. Footpoint heating is now heavily preferred.
* Impulsive heating or steady quasi-static heating? Not so clear theoretically.
* Impulsive heating or steady quasi-static heating? Not so clear theoretically.
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* Connection to chomospheric modeling has not been dealt with properly. The
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* Connection to chomospheric modeling has not been dealt with properly. The simulation data cubes ought to be made available to the public.  
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  simulation data cubes ought to be made available to the public.  
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* Existing instruments: need to deal with straylight and background. Need to make better use of SOT.  
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* Existing instruments: need to deal with straylight and background. Need to
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* Future with SDO/AIA higher time resolution. Graph of electron mfp vs height in MHD model (Peter 2008) => 100 km.  
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  make better use of SOT.  
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* Future with SDO/AIA higher time resolution. Graph of electron mfp vs height
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  in MHD model (Peter 2008) => 100 km.
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Welsch: The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of
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  the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?
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  Mason: compromises are necessary.
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Judge: comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes
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  are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't
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  we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.
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DeForest: it's worse than you think.
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Hudson: Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona.
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Muglach: Filaments
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''Welsch'': The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of  the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?
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''Mason'': compromises are necessary.
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''Judge'': comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.
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''DeForest'': it's worse than you think.
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''Hudson'': Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona.  The NLFFF group has noted that the strongly sheared internal structures of an active region are not the ones that Markus can image this way
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'''Muglach: Filaments'''
* Structure
* Structure
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  - 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also ground-based
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- 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also ground-based (on disk), but how do we reconcile the two views. There are "threads" now resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming.  
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  (on disk), but how do we reconcile the two views. There are "threads" now  
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  resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show  
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- There are dome structures, or arcs on larger scales, now observed to show remarkable dynamical behavior.
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  dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming.  
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  - There are dome structures, or arcs on larger scales, now observed to show
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  remarkable dynamical behavior.
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* Fields
* Fields
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  - Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830. Fields
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- Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830. Fields can be up to 80G.
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  can be up to 80G.
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Moore: what direction of B? A: horizontal.
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* Wish list: More H-alpha, more stereoscopic observation, more UV/IR
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  multiwavelength coverage. More emphasis on models that can handle dynamics.
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  Magnetic fields.
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* Formation/maintenance: there are only 5 papers on observations of filament
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  origin! Many more modeling papers exist!
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  - Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).
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* Models. Magara "source surface" approach e.g. But how to get to the "end
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  state" that the models describe?
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Moore: There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation.
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Berger: A question for the community - why does neutral gas follow the field
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  lines. A: collisions.
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McLaughlin:  
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''Moore'': what direction of B? A: horizontal.
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* A new plume cartoon! The Wang 1994 cartoon is to be supplanted. A two-
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* Wish list: More H-alpha, more stereoscopic observation, more UV/IR multiwavelength coverage. More emphasis on models that can handle dynamics. Magnetic fields.
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  stage formation of which (1) is a formation via a jet (Raouafi et a. 2008).
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* Formation/maintenance: there are only 5 papers on observations of filament origin! Many more modeling papers exist!
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  Then decrease of height of X-point. DeForest 2007 shows how to develop a
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- Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).
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  steady plume structure (hours, rather than the minutes of the "reconnection"
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* Models. Magara "source surface" approach e.g. But how to get to the "end state" that the models describe?
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  event).
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  - There is high FIP in the plumes.  
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''Moore'': There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation.
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  - Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.
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''Berger'': A question for the community - why does neutral gas follow the field lines. A: collisions.
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* (2) Transition to wind. Why are plumes not observed in situ? How much of the
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  wind originates in the plumes (not all, but at least some?). Why are the
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'''McLaughlin: Plumes'''
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  scale heights so large?   
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* A new plume cartoon! The Wang 1994 cartoon is to be supplanted. A two-stage formation of which (1) is a formation via a jet (Raouafi et a. 2008). Then decrease of height of X-point. DeForest 2007 shows how to develop a steady plume structure (hours, rather than the minutes of the "reconnection" event).
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- There is high FIP in the plumes.  
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- Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.
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* Transition to wind. Why are plumes not observed in situ? How much of the wind originates in the plumes (not all, but at least some?). Why are the scale heights so large?   
* Seven main questions
* Seven main questions
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  1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?
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  2) what sustains plumes
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(1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?
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  3) what is the true 3D structure?
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  4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both  
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(2) what sustains plumes?
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  energy and momentum)
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  5) How far out do plumes extend?  
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(3) what is the true 3D structure?
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  6) Svalgaard Nobeyama observations  
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  7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?  
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(4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both energy and momentum)
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Obligatory Moore question: Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed  
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  polarity.
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(5) How far out do plumes extend?  
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De Pontieu: what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A:
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  would like to see propagating waves. AA: It's in the Science paper,  
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(6) What are the Svalgaard Nobeyama observations?
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  supporting material.
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Judge: Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at
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(7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?  
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  solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (Wang).
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''Obligatory Moore question:'' Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed polarity.
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''De Pontieu'': what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A: would like to see propagating waves.  
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''De Pontieu'': It's in the Science paper, supporting material.
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''Judge'': Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (''Wang'').

Revision as of 17:12, 13 December 2008

Plenary Overview Session covering Groups B, C, H, I, and J

DeRosa: Magnetism

1) How does flux at the surface reflect dynamo action? Aimee Norton cartoon showing "tilted toroidal bands". Ephemeral region emergences. Flux "emerges" less frequently at high "unipolarity"?

Judge: what about the scatter vs unipolarity? A: perhaps this is a techincal matter

2) Improving coronal field models. LOS grams may have serious biases. Photospheric vector fields don't deal with the chromosphere properly. Sunsplot flux issues. Chromospheric field interpretation problems. "We don't have any idea" how to map the field, but PFSS is on the way out? The chromosphere is the key to improvements.

Grigis: how about direct coronal field measurements? A: Degeneracy on LOS in optically thick medium. EUV has gone as far as it can go?

Hudson: Div B comment - the problem is 2/3 solved! A: You are very optimistic!

DeWijn: Chromosphere

1) general disagreements on what "chromospheric heating" amounts to. Acoustic waves still an open question. Internal gravity waves ditto. Type II spicules a key to the magnetized chromosphere? Corona... The questions have multiplied!

Liewer: what is a type II spicule? A: Time scale of seconds, number density different from classical (type I) spicules.

2) What is the influence of the beta = 1 surface? Inclined fields. "Chromospheric seismology"? Alfven wave propagation?

Strous: Need simulations to handle the Alfven waves properly

3) Numerical models. Now know that we need to deal with neutrals. But which problems require multi-fluid? Synthetic models are much better in the photosphere. 4) Propagation of free energy through the chromosphere. Is the chromosphere a "force-free factory"? Perpendicular resistivity should be very high in the upper chromosphere - so maybe

Vourlidas: where is the top of the chromosphere? A: A difficult question! "We're switching from doing something wrong in the photosphere to doing something wrong, but different, in the chromospehere?"

Panasenco: Need to include filaments in "chromosphere". Good point... also loops. Need another workshop!

Young: Loops

Doschek: see the movie; it's on the Web

Moore: The Markus movie is impressive; does it show any non-potentiality?

DeForest: Recall the overdense and underdense loop types. "Nanoflares" <=> underdense.

Peter: Modeling

Welsch: The models requested are uninteresting from the point of view of the chromosphere. Why stop at 5 min scales? Cooling is uninteresting?

Mason: compromises are necessary.

Judge: comment on Markus movie. Why are strands illuminated? Note that tubes are less prominent than ribbon-like structures at the footpoints. Why don't we see sheets instead? We understand almost nothing, it appears.

DeForest: it's worse than you think.

Hudson: Markus is showing us the boring part of the corona. The NLFFF group has noted that the strongly sheared internal structures of an active region are not the ones that Markus can image this way

Muglach: Filaments

- 0.1 arcs scales are present, both SOT (over the limb) and also ground-based (on disk), but how do we reconcile the two views. There are "threads" now resolved as the smallest scales. Threads present even in the barbs and show dynamics, e.g. counterstreaming.

- There are dome structures, or arcs on larger scales, now observed to show remarkable dynamical behavior.

- Now have have actual He D3 field observations (Casini). Also 10830. Fields can be up to 80G.

Moore: what direction of B? A: horizontal.

- Time sequence shown in Wang-Muglach (2007).

Moore: There should be good observations if even MDI can see formation. Berger: A question for the community - why does neutral gas follow the field lines. A: collisions.

McLaughlin: Plumes

- There is high FIP in the plumes. - Parnell papers on many-separator reconnection.

(1) what distinguishes plumes/interplumes?

(2) what sustains plumes?

(3) what is the true 3D structure?

(4) what causes the acceleration? ("curtain vs tube" debate; need both energy and momentum)

(5) How far out do plumes extend?

(6) What are the Svalgaard Nobeyama observations?

(7) Spatial distribution/plume suppression. No plumes >85 degrees?

Obligatory Moore question: Step 2 not good, since plumes have mixed polarity.

De Pontieu: what does "explicit detection" require of the observations? A: would like to see propagating waves.

De Pontieu: It's in the Science paper, supporting material.

Judge: Solar cycle of plume statistics and flux concentrations? A: none at solar max, but low-latitude holes may show them (Wang).

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